LM: So Micheline, bringing us up to the present day, you have been a BSBI County Recorder since 1982, served on the Committee for Ireland a few times, organising two BSBI main AGMs in Ireland and then in 2022 you became BSBI President – tell us more!
MSS: Well, it was an immense honour and privilege to be asked to serve as BSBI President – and quite a surprise! Having complained at the Galway AGM in 2011 about the lack of female presidents, I could hardly refuse! And, as only the third BSBI President from the island of Ireland, it was an opportunity to showcase Ireland (and raise some of our specific issues) to committees and BSBI members, but also to make the BSBI better-known in Ireland.
My first year as President was very eventful, starting as I did in late 2022, just as preparations for launching Plant Atlas 2020 were getting under way. The Committee for Ireland had decided, because recording and species’ distributions are different in Ireland, to publish a separate summary document called Ireland’s Changing Flora (above right). John Faulkner undertook this trojan piece of work and I supported him where I could, reading drafts and organising photos canvased from all the Irish County Recorders; I’m proud that we included at least one photo from each of those who sent me images. And, inspired by the Welsh plans for a Welsh language version, I’m especially proud of having instigated a bilingual text in English and Irish for the document. I felt it important to emphasise the Irish aspect of the BSBI for an Irish readership.
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Plant Atlas 2020 launch: Micheline with Minister Noonan & Curator Matthew Jebb in the National Herbarium, Dublin |
MSS: As BSBI President, I was keen to help bring the Society more in contact with Irish governmental bodies such as the National Parks and Wildlife Service to find ways of collaborating. So I requested a meeting with Minister Noonan, Minister of State for Heritage, along with his PO for Conservation, Andy Bleasdale, a former PhD student of mine. A few weeks before he officially launched Plant Atlas 2020 in Dublin, we discussed the value of atlas-type recording in monitoring what is sadly a decline in so many plant species. I emphasised the role BSBI can play in providing information as regards plant communities and habitat monitoring.
LM: Huge thanks to you for all your work promoting BSBI, and particularly the Plant Atlas project, - well done on getting Minister Noonan to do the launch.
MSS: Yes, soon after meeting Minister Noonan, the Atlas launches were in full swing. Thanks to huge efforts of the BSBI comms people, we got unprecedented publicity, making headline national news in Ireland, as well as in Britain. Between us, we did a dozen interviews island-wide in Ireland, on national and local media (I managed to do two in Irish!). That was super. We got a lot of new membership as a result. I attended the main launch – and the Cambridge one – online, but I was at the Dublin and Belfast launches in person. After launching it in Dublin, Minister Noonan stayed for the whole event and afterwards was very taken with the National Herbarium in the Botanic Gardens! The Belfast launch was equally successful. Based in National Museums Northern Ireland’s Cultra Manor, it also had governmental and conservation interest and was a very useful exercise in meeting with relevant bodies.
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Micheline with some of the organisers of the 2023 BSBI Summer Meeting in Killarney; Minister Noonan (4th from right) |
MSS: Well yes, it was Field Meetings Secretary Jonathan Shanklin who said that now that there was an Irish President, it would be nice to hold the Summer Meeting in Ireland. My first response was ‘No way!’, since I put a huge amount of effort into organising the 2011 AGM meeting in Galway. But I was persuaded to run with it and decided the southwest was a good place to be based. The local team I recruited were superb and between us all, we hosted around 90 people, some having heard about it on Radio Kerry, and thanks to National Parks and Wildlife funding, we were able to organise some boat excursions that were the highlight of the event. It was also launched by Minister Noonan.
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The huge Strawberry Tree on Rough Island; copy of Webb's 'An Irish Flora' gives scale |
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Joint meeting with the RES at Daneway Banks |
LM: Everyone said that was a great event! How about the Daneway Banks meeting?
MSS: That was an idea of mine. Having worked with Environmental Science (EV) colleagues, I am very aware that habitat management is different for invertebrates from that required by plant species. So it came up in emails with Chris Williams, a former EV PhD graduate of ours and he put me on to the Royal Entomological Society (RES). They were so enthusiastic, they took over the greater part of organising the event, suggesting Daneway Banks in Gloucestershire, which they help manage.
It was a real success; thoroughly enjoyable and informative, with key talks to start off the day and a lovely trip on-site to see Large Blue butterflies (on left) – and great flora – on these limestone grasslands. I think we should do more such joint meetings to support interactions between our respective skills and specialisms.LM: Yes, now you’ve started that trend I hope we’ll be looking to do more joint meetings in future.
MSS: Great! Also, as President and with no longer the need to record for Plant Atlas 2020, which had confined me to South-East Galway, I aimed to participate in field outings in Ireland and Britain. Sadly, I only managed a couple of the Aquatic Plant Project days and an almost-aquatic but wonderful trip to Mayo’s bogs in the driving rain! The Recorders’ Conference at FSC Preston Montford in October was hugely enjoyable, instructive and a great opportunity to meet recorders outside of Ireland.
LM: So that was 2023, what were your main activities in 2024?
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Looking at minute clovers Trifolium spp. at the Summer Meeting on Guernsey |
I also attended the Wales Annual Meeting and took in a day’s outing in Somerset. And I ended my visits in early November at the very popular Scottish AGM and meeting. All these meetings were hugely worthwhile and for me were a great opportunity to meet so many interesting, knowledgeable, dedicated and fun BSBI members.
Before I became President, there had been an international botanists’ group, but it never met during my term. However, Spanish botanist, Xavier Picó, invited BSBI to the XX International Botanical Congress in Madrid with a view to holding a joint meeting. Travelling by train and ferry, I brought a poster about Plant Atlas 2020 and Trustee Richard Allanach brought both Atlas volumes! A meeting with Xavier, myself, Richard and Paul Ashton (image on left) resulted in plans for a joint meeting in Spain in 2026.LM: Of course, another of the President’s duties is to liaise with the President of the Wild Flower Society about the annual Presidents’ Award. In 2023, the winners were the Plant Atlas 2020 authors, Pete Stroh, Kevin Walker, Tom Humphrey, Oli Pescott and Rich Burkmar, and in 2024 the Wild Flower Society proposed a title which I suspect was even closer to your heart?
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Micheline & Janet (WFS) present the 2023 Presidents' Prize to Plant Atlas 2020 authors |
MSS: I was thrilled that an Irish Flora was chosen and yes, Paul Green’s Flora of County Wexford won him the richly deserved award. Paul’s such a terrific botanist and I suspect he has turned in more records than anyone else in Ireland for Plant Atlas2020. I particularly wanted to attend the award presentation. But attending the Wild Flower Society AGM on the coast of Norfolk proved too difficult. I am so grateful to Jo Parmenter who stood in for me and represented the BSBI.
LM: We have made the Flora of Wexford available as an eBook and it is selling very well! You’ve also published several papers in British & Irish Botany recently, based on your research into Ireland’s flora – could you tell us a bit more about those papers please?
MSS: Yes, British & Irish Botany has been incredibly good to us and our vagaries! I updated and re-worked my PhD student, Lieveke van Doorslaer’s research on Mackay’s heath Erica mackayana, published in New Journal of Botany in 2015. We provided cogent arguments as to why the species is most unlikely to be native to Ireland – and this has been supported by recent genetic research by our Galician friend, Jaime Fagúndez. I have since worked up a paper on the Kerry lily Simethis mattiazzii with Darach Lupton and of course more recently with my partner, Nick Scott, on the origins of Strawberry Tree Arbutus unedo in Ireland. Our latest publication reviews all the Hiberno-Lusitanian heathers and why we think they are all likely to have been introduced to Ireland. There are fascinating tales behind these Hiberno-Lusitanian species, some of which I recounted in my keynote talk at the 2023 British & Irish Botanical Conference in Newcastle.
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Micheline and Nick with a Strawberry Tree |
LM: That was a very popular talk and we’re delighted that you gave another talk – albeit remotely - at last year’s British & Irish Botanical Conference, this time on the subject of the flora and conservation value of Ireland’s turloughs.
MSS: Yes, it’s hard to get to Britain from the west coast of Ireland. So I couldn’t manage to attend both the Scottish Botanists’ Conference and the British & Irish Botanical Conference a few weeks later. In 2024 I felt that I owed it to the Scots to be present – and was blown away by the day, with a huge attendance, great quality talks, very many exhibits and a great range of workshops to choose from. So, I’m sorry I couldn’t be in London in person as well but happily I was able to give my talk thanks to technology. As a plant ecologist, I’m very aware of plant communities and their habitat requirements, and I like the idea of some recording focusing on specific habitats, such as e.g. for the planned long-term phenology monitoring scheme. The question ‘What is a turlough?’ came up in the Botanical University Challenge and, as I’ve done much research on them with University of Galway colleagues, I chose to talk about these groundwater-fed systems, filling after high rainfall in winter and emptying in summer. The vegetation zones are a function of the flood duration and, as they are not intensively farmed, they act as refugia for rare plants and many invertebrates.
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Micheline giving the keynote talk at the 2023 British & Irish Botanical Conference |
One of the last things I did was to have the issue of
diversity and equality addressed more formally within the BSBI, so hopefully
we’ll see some of the effects of that in years to come.
LM: Yes, the EDI Working Group has convened and we hope to publish something very soon. But tell us, what are your plans now that you’ve handed over the Presidential baton to Paul Ashton?
MSS: Well, first I want to wish new President Paul Ashton the very best and may he enjoy and find his term of office rewarding. For me, I will resume recording plant species in my vice-county, South-East Galway. There’s plenty of gaps there and a number of ‘Shanklins’ to visit – monads with few or no records to date, named for Jonathan Shanklin who loves nothing better than to record in hitherto unexplored corners of these islands. We have a keen Galway group and we can explore some of the remoter corners together. I also plan to work on a Rare Plant Register for SE Galway. There is also more to investigate in the Slieve Aughty Hills (another paper led by Cilian Roden is in prep. for the Irish Naturalists Journal) – and I am determined to get more filmy-fern and other pteridophyte records for the (slightly drier) side of those SE Galway hills. We also continue our research on our Lusitanian flora, now focusing on the British Lusitanian heathers. And we are working with colleagues in the National Botanic Gardens, Dublin and A Coruña in Spain on a detailed whole-genome investigation of the Strawberry Tree Arbutus unedo that is shaping up to give some very interesting indications of its ancient movements and transport in western Europe. I also aim to attend more BSBI field and regional meetings, especially the hugely enjoyable Summer Meetings – the next one in Scotland! I have learned so much about the BSBI during my presidency and met so many wonderful people and I want to thank everyone who helped, encouraged and supported me during my term of office and I am very keen to keep up those contacts and friendships with a bit more leisure to enjoy them! Míle buíochas.
LM: Thanks for talking to us Micheline, and for all your excellent work as President promoting the BSBI and botany in Ireland. Thanks a million and all the best!